Criterion & Eclipse Cover Art & Packaging Babble-on Vol. 7

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Re: Criterion & Eclipse Cover Art & Packaging Babble-on Vol. 7

#1476 Post by tenia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:51 am

dda1996a wrote:
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I may not be a born English speaker, but you never write s's.
That's what I was taught in high school and didn't know it could be anything else.

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#1477 Post by Shrew » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:13 pm

The s's is entirely a matter of style, not grammar (in other words it is completely arbitrary). In the US, AP style uses s' for any names ending with s. Chicago uses 's for everything not a plural.

I know other style guides have exceptions for ancient names (but do you differentiate Jesus' sandals from your Mexican friend Jesus's sandals, or Moses' robe from Grandma Moses's robe?) or names that end in an "es" syllable. I've come to embrace the "fuck it" simplicity of the Chicago rule, but that's also the style that has ruled my day jobs for a good several years.

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#1478 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:59 pm

I do a lot of editing work. I've never used s's or z's and my clients still pay me, so I think money has the most convincing argument for me here

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#1479 Post by Shrew » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:00 pm

I have never heard of anyone not adding 's after a z. That is madness.

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#1480 Post by bakofalltrades » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:22 pm

Found myself wondering what style guides Criterion might use when copyediting/proofing essays, summaries, web content, etc. Not uncommon for organizations to have a house style of some kind, with at least one of the major style guides serving as a second-tier reference for anything not covered in the house style. Would be shocked if they don't have at least two in play, but who knows.

That said, went digging through the Criterion site only to find an instance of "Denis' signature" in the summary for White Material but "Sturges's . . . comedies" on The Lady Eve page. OOoOOOooOOh!

As for possessives for names ending in z, CMS specifically mentions using an apostrophe plus s. The point here being that they're probably calling it out specifically because there is contrary teaching/guidance that has suggested the additional s is *not* needed with an ending z, likely because an ending z can often *sound* just like an ending s. (If style dictated Dickens and Fowles took only an apostrophe, why wouldn't the same be true for Martinez or Cortez?)

(NOTE: I work as a copyeditor and proofreader full time, and I don't have personal feelings one way or the other about most grammar rules along these lines. I just do whatever the recommended style guides tell me to do. If not clearly addressed in the style references, internal consistency is at least something [CRITERION!], though even then I would try to check with the client or reference their other published materials before making a decision of my own.)

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#1481 Post by mteller » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:50 pm

John Cassavetes' Shadows
John Cassavetes' Faces
John Cassavetes' A Woman Under the Influence
John Cassavetes' Killing of a Chinese Bookie
John Cassavetes's Opening Night

arghhh

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#1482 Post by swo17 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:19 pm

Ha!

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#1483 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:25 pm

swo17 wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:19 pm
Ha!
You mean "Hah!"

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#1484 Post by swo17 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:28 pm

Huh

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#1485 Post by Yaanu » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:34 pm

It's settled, then: "S-apostrophe-S" versus "S-apostrophe" is the linguistic version of "coke" vs. "pop" vs. "soda".


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#1487 Post by Roger Ryan » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:23 pm

When Criterion reissued F For Fake, the cover text went from "Orson Welles' F For Fake" to "Orson Welles's For For Fake". I think the best approach for any filmmaker whose last name ends in an "s" is just to avoid the possessive altogether and go with "A Film By _____" (which is pretty much what Criterion has done with all of its subsequent Welles releases).

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#1488 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:19 pm

BN’s pic of Do the Right Thing reveals it’s a very thick digipak

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#1489 Post by Apperson » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:23 pm

Image

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#1490 Post by Reverend Drewcifer » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:57 pm

Klute is a stunner. I can't shake the feeling that the packaging for War and Peace should be overwhelming. Like poured concrete. Something with rivets. Something wide. The poor thing looks nice, but puny.

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#1491 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:19 pm

Congrats to Cluny Brown for being only the third cover in the history of the forum to prompt enough discussion for a dedicated thread. Please use that thread going forward for further discussion/statements of stunned disbelief

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#1492 Post by swo17 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:29 pm

What are the other two? Viridiana and...?

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#1493 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:37 pm

Joe Eszterhas comes againShow
Modern Times

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#1494 Post by movielocke » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:19 am

domino harvey wrote:
Joe Eszterhas comes againShow
Modern Times
I still really like that cover!

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#1495 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:13 am

movielocke, I'm with you


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Re: Criterion & Eclipse Cover Art & Packaging Babble-on Vol. 7

#1497 Post by aox » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:08 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:37 pm
Joe Eszterhas comes againShow
Modern Times
What was the original Modern Times cover?

EDIT: I'm not even really in love with the current cover, so how bad was this?

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Re: Criterion & Eclipse Cover Art & Packaging Babble-on Vol. 7

#1498 Post by swo17 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:53 pm

I don't think they ever changed it

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#1499 Post by criterionoop » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:45 am

I remember they changed A CHRISTMAS TALE from that weird lens flare image to the cigarette smoke creating a tree.

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Re: Criterion & Eclipse Cover Art & Packaging Babble-on Vol. 7

#1500 Post by Malickite » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:32 am

They changed the cover for THE MAKIOKA SISTERS as well. If I recall correctly, that was also in response to the negative reactions.

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