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Re: Awards Season 2019

#851 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:15 pm

I think it was 3-4 years ago when I was in grad school we read a study where the third most common activity Americans engaged in was watching Netflix (an average of slightly over two hours a day) following only work and sleep. For context, stuff like "playing outside" and "having sex" or "eating" were veryyyy low numbers - you're taking into account the whole population so generally skewed for outliers (I think the fourth place went to TV at around an hour, and then eating which was like collectively around 30 minutes a day), so the fact that Netflix (not even TV, NETFLIX) was an average of two hours a day, beating tv, says enough about where we're going and what we're doing to me (think of the people who don't have Netflix bringing that number down too...) I'm not surprised in the least that these awards ceremonies aren't watched. I don't even have any basic TV channels, we streamed it from Oklahoma.


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Re: Awards Season 2019

#853 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:38 am

There were a few intros for technical categories (take the Ferrell and Louis-Dreyfus one, for example) that were super obnoxious toward the hard work of various technical branches. Was the standout bad look of the night.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#854 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:41 am

Clearly an illuminati conspiracy to bully those awards into choosing their commercial break fate after refusing to play ball

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#855 Post by felipe » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:29 am

movielocke wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:54 pm
So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street.
I thought Joker was going to attract more viewers than Black Panther since it actually had a shot at winning some big categories. I'm not sure if many Black Panther fans would tune in just to check if it would win Costume Design or Best score.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#856 Post by CSM126 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:48 am

I can only assume the VFX Society hasn’t seen Cats, because those VFX sucked.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#857 Post by tenia » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:00 am

movielocke wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:54 pm
tenia wrote:I also highly doubt nominating more popular movies will change anything, even if they end up winning. Was the ceremony where Black Panther got noms more watched ? I don't recall so.
2020 is the all time low at 23.6 million viewers. 2019 was 29.6 million viewers (black panther). 2018 was the previous all time low with 26.5 million viewers
So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street. That year got 43 million viewers.
Audiences in M between the 72nd (2000) and 85th (2014) editions were hovering around 40M, with no peaks to speak of but 2 drops (75th-2003 and 80th-2008). Note that 2003 had LOTR The Two Towers amongst its nominees. Since 2015, audiences plumetted and have basically been halved (43.7M in 2014 --> 23.6M in 2020).
What's interesting however is the Nielsen ratings : these aren't plumetting. They're still oscillating as they've been for the past 20 years. 2019 was the best Nielsen rating since 2004, so in this regard, yup, it helped, but it's also clear that the 2019 26% rating equated to 29.6M while the 26.2% 2001 rating equated to... 42.9M.

So, did Black Panther helped ? Yes and no. The 26% Nielsen rating isn't much better than, say, 2016 24.3% one. That year, the average BP nom gross was $75.8m, half the 2019's one. It's not far from the 24.7% 2014 one either (average gross : $72m). Audiences also haven't droped compared to 2018, but they still dropped compared to 2017 and 2016. So it's just a blip in this regard.

What about the BO (at time of the noms announcement) ?
You're speaking about 2014. At the time of the noms announcement, it actually wasn't a very particuliar year. 2016's average gross is actually higher ($72m in 2014 vs $75.8m in 2016). And 2015, with better audience (but not a better Nielsen rating), had much smaller BP noms. And if you take 2012 and its insane combned gross ($1.2bn) and average gross ($119m), it wasn't that much worse or better than many other years pre-2014. It had a 21.2% Nielsen and 37.9m viewers, both fiures lower than 2012, 2013 or 2014's.

The real question I guess is : what happened since 2014 ?

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#858 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:05 am

CSM126 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:48 am
I can only assume the VFX Society hasn’t seen Cats, because those VFX sucked.
Yeah but why bring up the fuck up at the Oscar to award the best? Especially since it basically served as a way for Corden and Wilson to get a platform and distance themselves from the film publicly.. I think the Society’s point that the movie sucks aside from the effects is fair, and it’s probably just as much Hooper’s fault for doing all that last minute reworking, missing errors and releasing it anyways as the one in control. Just poor taste all around, and painful to watch those two actors dress up in costume just to make a “please like us” self-depreciating joke that was so obviously desperate, egocentric, dismissive of the category and condescending to the profession as an involuntary sacrifice.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#859 Post by kcota17 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:35 pm

tenia wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:00 am
movielocke wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:54 pm
tenia wrote:I also highly doubt nominating more popular movies will change anything, even if they end up winning. Was the ceremony where Black Panther got noms more watched ? I don't recall so.
2020 is the all time low at 23.6 million viewers. 2019 was 29.6 million viewers (black panther). 2018 was the previous all time low with 26.5 million viewers
So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street. That year got 43 million viewers.
Audiences in M between the 72nd (2000) and 85th (2014) editions were hovering around 40M, with no peaks to speak of but 2 drops (75th-2003 and 80th-2008). Note that 2003 had LOTR The Two Towers amongst its nominees. Since 2015, audiences plumetted and have basically been halved (43.7M in 2014 --> 23.6M in 2020).
What's interesting however is the Nielsen ratings : these aren't plumetting. They're still oscillating as they've been for the past 20 years. 2019 was the best Nielsen rating since 2004, so in this regard, yup, it helped, but it's also clear that the 2019 26% rating equated to 29.6M while the 26.2% 2001 rating equated to... 42.9M.

So, did Black Panther helped ? Yes and no. The 26% Nielsen rating isn't much better than, say, 2016 24.3% one. That year, the average BP nom gross was $75.8m, half the 2019's one. It's not far from the 24.7% 2014 one either (average gross : $72m). Audiences also haven't droped compared to 2018, but they still dropped compared to 2017 and 2016. So it's just a blip in this regard.

What about the BO (at time of the noms announcement) ?
You're speaking about 2014. At the time of the noms announcement, it actually wasn't a very particuliar year. 2016's average gross is actually higher ($72m in 2014 vs $75.8m in 2016). And 2015, with better audience (but not a better Nielsen rating), had much smaller BP noms. And if you take 2012 and its insane combned gross ($1.2bn) and average gross ($119m), it wasn't that much worse or better than many other years pre-2014. It had a 21.2% Nielsen and 37.9m viewers, both fiures lower than 2012, 2013 or 2014's.

The real question I guess is : what happened since 2014 ?
1. Younger people not caring to tune into a 4 hour long awards show
2. Older people not buying into the illusion of Hollywood glamour anymore and associating Hollywood with just the political left now.

Ratings will probably be lower next year, regardless if Black Window wins Best Picture

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#860 Post by felipe » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:02 pm

kcota17 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:35 pm
tenia wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:00 am
movielocke wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:54 pm
2020 is the all time low at 23.6 million viewers. 2019 was 29.6 million viewers (black panther). 2018 was the previous all time low with 26.5 million viewers
So yes, black panther helped, but the highest ratings in the last ten years were for the 2014 ceremony when 12 years a slave won but was nominated with a strong box office wave of films like: captain Phillips, American hustle, gravity, and wolf of Wall Street. That year got 43 million viewers.
Audiences in M between the 72nd (2000) and 85th (2014) editions were hovering around 40M, with no peaks to speak of but 2 drops (75th-2003 and 80th-2008). Note that 2003 had LOTR The Two Towers amongst its nominees. Since 2015, audiences plumetted and have basically been halved (43.7M in 2014 --> 23.6M in 2020).
What's interesting however is the Nielsen ratings : these aren't plumetting. They're still oscillating as they've been for the past 20 years. 2019 was the best Nielsen rating since 2004, so in this regard, yup, it helped, but it's also clear that the 2019 26% rating equated to 29.6M while the 26.2% 2001 rating equated to... 42.9M.

So, did Black Panther helped ? Yes and no. The 26% Nielsen rating isn't much better than, say, 2016 24.3% one. That year, the average BP nom gross was $75.8m, half the 2019's one. It's not far from the 24.7% 2014 one either (average gross : $72m). Audiences also haven't droped compared to 2018, but they still dropped compared to 2017 and 2016. So it's just a blip in this regard.

What about the BO (at time of the noms announcement) ?
You're speaking about 2014. At the time of the noms announcement, it actually wasn't a very particuliar year. 2016's average gross is actually higher ($72m in 2014 vs $75.8m in 2016). And 2015, with better audience (but not a better Nielsen rating), had much smaller BP noms. And if you take 2012 and its insane combned gross ($1.2bn) and average gross ($119m), it wasn't that much worse or better than many other years pre-2014. It had a 21.2% Nielsen and 37.9m viewers, both fiures lower than 2012, 2013 or 2014's.

The real question I guess is : what happened since 2014 ?
1. Younger people not caring to tune into a 4 hour long awards show
2. Older people not buying into the illusion of Hollywood glamour anymore and associating Hollywood with just the political left now.

Ratings will probably be lower next year, regardless if Black Window wins Best Picture
But why is it that after 85 years all this people would suddenly stop caring about the Oscars in 2015?

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#861 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:06 pm

I'm still going to go with Netflix and other streaming platforms becoming not only the primary access of media for Americans but whittled down to the only for many. I can't locate the article I mentioned in a previous post but I believe many signed up for Netflix when streaming hit the scene across the 2008-2011 years and then gradually since then many have given up basic tv as streaming platforms have added more original content and acquired popular content, due to time/money/general movement towards this is the primary source of context for the populous.
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Re: Awards Season 2019

#862 Post by Glowingwabbit » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:07 pm

felipe wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:02 pm
But why is it that after 85 years all this people would suddenly stop caring about the Oscars in 2015?
A big part of it is that people are getting rid of cable. I dropped cable in 2014, although I never sat through the Oscar show even when I did. A lot of live events have taken a hit over the years because of this.

edit: what therewillbeblus said

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#863 Post by Big Ben » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:09 pm

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:07 pm
felipe wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:02 pm
But why is it that after 85 years all this people would suddenly stop caring about the Oscars in 2015?
A big part of it is that people are getting rid of cable. I dropped cable in 2014, although I never sat through the Oscar show even when I did. A lot of live events have taken a hit over the years because of this.

edit: what therewillbeblus said
The Oscars, at least in the US are on ABC, which is available whether you have cable or not.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#864 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:16 pm

TV/internet packages nowadays still don't automatically include basic channels like they used to; perhaps with an antenna, but I haven't had a single channel-not even ABC- for years.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#865 Post by Glowingwabbit » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:21 pm

Yeah when I said I dropped cable in 2014, I meant I just have internet as I don't even have basic channels. I didn't want any unnecessary junk in my living room.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#866 Post by Brian C » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:07 pm

I think social media also plays a huge role - it’s not that the mystique of movie stars is gone, but it’s morphed into a different form. It used to be that the Oscars was one of the only places to see the big stars ... maybe a talk-show appearance here and there, but I can definitely remember watching the Oscars just to see everyone be there.

But with social media, celebrity culture is just different, and with it the expectations for visibility and access (or at least the illusion of access). The Oscars just isn’t the singular celebrity-watching event that it used to be.

Plus every other awards show is hyped to the gills now, too. That can’t help.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#867 Post by Nasir007 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:08 pm

Big Ben wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:09 pm
Glowingwabbit wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:07 pm
felipe wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:02 pm
But why is it that after 85 years all this people would suddenly stop caring about the Oscars in 2015?
A big part of it is that people are getting rid of cable. I dropped cable in 2014, although I never sat through the Oscar show even when I did. A lot of live events have taken a hit over the years because of this.

edit: what therewillbeblus said
The Oscars, at least in the US are on ABC, which is available whether you have cable or not.
Not always true. I have a basic Sling TV package - that's my only live tv. Gives me some news, some lifestyle and sports. ABC is not offered. I actually couldn't use my SLING subscription to watch it.

I actually thinks this hurts viewership too.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#868 Post by Matt » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:28 pm

Of course there's no one particular thing that's causing a decline (if there is, ABC would love to throw money at it). For my part, I've quit watching a lot of late night shows or live TV just because I know if I feel I missed anything, I can catch it on YouTube the next day. Even now, I only half pay attention to the Oscars. I don't know if I'd watch at all anymore if it Twitter didn't make it worthwhile.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#869 Post by Reverend Drewcifer » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:00 pm

Fun wrinkle in the Cats imbroglio: Moving Picture Company (MPC), the visual effects and production company who won for 1917 was, along with ILM, one of the major effects houses providing the "digital fur technology" in Hooper's film. Imagine accepting your Oscar from two medium talents (I'm being charitable) who are actively participating in throwing your company under the bus.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#870 Post by felipe » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:05 pm

Nasir007 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:08 pm

Not always true. I have a basic Sling TV package - that's my only live tv. Gives me some news, some lifestyle and sports. ABC is not offered. I actually couldn't use my SLING subscription to watch it.

I actually thinks this hurts viewership too.
I didn't know that. I thought all tvs in the US had ABC.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#871 Post by Matt » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:14 pm

All TVs in the US can receive ABC, but many people don't live close enough to an ABC affiliate station's transmitter to actually get the broadcast signal (not without an exterior antenna or cable/TV provider subscription at least).

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#872 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:18 pm

If you're in the U.S. and have good internet, you may be able to stream free broadcast TV via Locast.

Also speak of the devil, Rose McGowan called Portman's cape/activism "deeply offensive" and accused her of being a hypocrite for working with only two female directors.

Portman then gave a statement to the Hollywood Reporter, saying:
“I agree with Ms. McGowan that it is inaccurate to call me ‘brave’ for wearing a garment with women’s names on it. Brave is a term I more strongly associate with actions like those of the women who have been testifying against Harvey Weinstein the last few weeks, under incredible pressure.” Portman added that she has made short films, commercials, and music videos with female directors including “Marya Cohen, Mira Nair, Rebecca Zlotowski, Anna Rose Holmer, Sofia Coppola, Shirin Neshat and myself. Unfortunately, the unmade films I have tried to make are a ghost history,” adding that she has tried to use her position to help “get female directors hired on projects which they were then forced out of because of the conditions they faced at work.” Portman ended with a promise to “keep trying. While I have not yet been successful, I am hopeful that we are stepping into a new day.”

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#873 Post by bearcuborg » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:39 pm

DarkImbecile wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:08 pm
This is why I push back on "the Oscars are meaningless and stupid" takes; literally millions more people will see Parasite now over the next several years, and some meaningful fraction of those will investigate Bong's other work and Korean/East Asian cinema as well.

Good night for cinema, as a result of a dumb awards show.
That’s nicely said, as I’ve definitely been in the “dumb award show” camp since the late 90s. I haven’t seen Parasite yet, but it was well on my list to see well before last weekend-but the exposure for world cinema is needed. Philly is losing one of its few theaters devoted to such films...

Hair Love had some nice moments, but never felt like anything special. Kitbull (streaming on Disney+) is really beautiful and touching.

I still feel like Pesci gave one of the better performances I’ve seen in a Scorsese movie, but Pitt was really wonderful too. Even if I didn’t think that much of The Irishman, Paquin was really robbed of a nomination.

Speaking of Marty...I didn’t see the show, but online I caught his reaction to Eminem (who was terrific) and I just thought, “man, I’m so much younger than him-but just the thought of being in uncomfortable clothes, sitting for hours at this silly show-I would probably pass-even at my age, life is too short!”

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#874 Post by DarkImbecile » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:51 pm

bearcuborg wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:39 pm
Speaking of Marty...I didn’t see the show, but online I caught his reaction to Eminem (who was terrific) and I just thought, “man, I’m so much younger than him-but just the thought of being in uncomfortable clothes, sitting for hours at this silly show-I would probably pass-even at my age, life is too short!”
You should make sure to catch the moment when Bong recognized him while collecting his Best Director Oscar, leading to an impromptu standing ovation from the crowd; hopefully that made it worthwhile for Scorsese to attend. Probably the best Oscar moment since the La La Land/Moonlight debacle.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#875 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:00 pm

DarkImbecile wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:51 pm
bearcuborg wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:39 pm
Speaking of Marty...I didn’t see the show, but online I caught his reaction to Eminem (who was terrific) and I just thought, “man, I’m so much younger than him-but just the thought of being in uncomfortable clothes, sitting for hours at this silly show-I would probably pass-even at my age, life is too short!”
You should make sure to catch the moment when Bong recognized him while collecting his Best Director Oscar, leading to an impromptu standing ovation from the crowd; hopefully that made it worthwhile for Scorsese to attend. Probably the best Oscar moment since the La La Land/Moonlight debacle.
Absolutely. When was the last time a nominee that didn't win got a standing ovation during the winner's acceptance speech?

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