God, how jaded must someone be to react that way? Talk about casting pearls before swine...MichaelB wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:28 amI’m sure I’ve mentioned this elsewhere in this thread, but there was a hilarious review of Borowczyk’s Immoral Tales in which the reviewer was so disgusted that the women in it looked completely normal that he couldn’t stop banging on about it.
He didn’t use the phrase “completely normal”, of course, but he seemed to have some obsession with the idea that shaving pubic hair should be compulsory for all women. Quite aside from anything else, this wouldn’t have been historically accurate - indeed, if Borowczyk had pandered to his weird fetish, the film would have looked a lot more peculiar.
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^ Well, yes, I agree that that would be a much bigger net positive for society. But I do belong to the school of thought that people can believe what they want so long as it doesn't hurt others – and if you quietly disapprove of homosexuality but are nonetheless committed to treating others with respect and not imposing your intolerance on others, then that's – in the scheme of the many harmful things that exist in the world and happen every day – not so bad. Being educated enough to avoid things that you would know perfectly well are going to offend you is probably a crucial part of that self-regulation.
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I understand your point, and true enough, if you quietly disagree and keep being respectful with others, it's probably not so bad.
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Remember when your parents told you that reading comic books would rot your brain?
Well, that’s not true anymore. In fact, in the very near future reading comic books might well become almost a prerequisite for admission to any reputable college or university which offers advanced degrees in theoretical physics or any of the related sciences. Just ask the guys on television’s “The Big Bang Theory.”
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Apropos of Diamonds of the Night, on Amazon.uk:
you are too good with me many thanks
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If you don't want your children to see blood magic on a pentagram to raise the dead, or Azazel the demon making a blood covenant with a warlock in "black forest". The demon cuts the warlocks hand and licks the wound with his forked tongue. Tons of occult symbology.
Obviously Hollywood thinks demons from hell (they use that terminology) and satanic symbolism is suitable for children. Unbelievable. Then again, what else should we expect in a nation that threw God out decades ago.
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I give up. What's the movie?
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SpoilerShow
the House With a Clock in its Walls
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I know The Guardian's op-ed section is a trainwreck generally, but I'm glad that they still have space to publish this kind of hard-hitting film criticism:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -favourite
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -favourite
Like everyone else in the world, I have now seen The Favourite and, well, I have some opinions. Namely, what is all the fuss about? Why on earth did this fairly mediocre film sweep the board at the Baftas, and why has it been nominated for 10 Oscars? I mean, it wasn’t bad: the acting was brilliant and there were some hilarious moments. It was fun; it just wasn’t amazing. The weirdness everyone was raving about seemed rather self-indulgent. And while I’m sure there was a deep and meaningful reason for using the fisheye lens so much, it felt as if the director had got a fisheye lens for Christmas and couldn’t stop playing with it. As for the weird rabbit stuff … well, actually, I liked the rabbits. The rabbits were good. I wouldn’t mind if the rabbits got an Oscar.
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Hey, when you're right you're right
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Woody Allen is a creep and he hasn't made a good movie since Bananas
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Interestingly, the paper doesn’t seem to have enabled comments on the piece.furbicide wrote:I know The Guardian's op-ed section is a trainwreck generally, but I'm glad that they still have space to publish this kind of hard-hitting film criticism:
Probably wisely.
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Man, that title and opening paragraph.
"Why even lesbianism and bunnies couldn’t make me love The Favourite" I didn't know lesbianism and bunnies were equating cinema masterpieces.
But I guess what this op-ed really taught me is that Fast & Furious 6 and 7 are "both objectively excellent movies".
This being written, the question about "Do you think anyone would be raving about The Favourite if it had involved a demented heterosexual love triangle?" is interesting, though I tend to believe people actually would be.
"Why even lesbianism and bunnies couldn’t make me love The Favourite" I didn't know lesbianism and bunnies were equating cinema masterpieces.
But I guess what this op-ed really taught me is that Fast & Furious 6 and 7 are "both objectively excellent movies".
This being written, the question about "Do you think anyone would be raving about The Favourite if it had involved a demented heterosexual love triangle?" is interesting, though I tend to believe people actually would be.
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I used to get rather irritated by these kinds of articles in the Guardian (and presumably other newspaper's websites have similar pieces) but less so recently as I have started to wonder if a lot of these things get to the heart of the problem that 'traditional media' have on adapting to the internet. Setting aside whether it was a good piece or not (its not) it looks like something with an intended function of filling up space on a page of a print paper one day, skimmed over (if that) and forgotten the next. A lot of what I found to be the more frustrating Guardian articles play like tiny 'provocation pieces of the day' that are weirdly similar to any other tabloid, including the Daily Mail. But along with occupying a place in the paper they are all put up onto their website under their own separate links to click onto that almost unintentionally provides them with just as much weight and importance as some of the more important news stories (or actual journalism that makes an interesting use of the internet with live rolling coverage of a story, even if it is just the BAFTA awards!). I presume this is what people mean when they talk about the internet 'flattening context' and putting everything on a level playing field - I used to think it was about 'legacy brands' feeling under siege from upstart new media blogs, but I am starting to think that it might be just as much about the way that certain papers get undermined from within when their fluff pieces achieve more prominence than say an actual film review, especially when they have the more click-baity title!
Which makes me think that the author forgot about the Twilight series and its heroine being torn between vampire and werewolf beaus for multiple films.
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Those are really fascinating points, colin – I’ve long despaired of the inanity of these brain-fart op-ed columns, but it’s very true that the shift from print to online alters our relationship to them and the way we read them.
Alternatively, is it possible that some people actually realy dig this stuff, and find it laugh-out-loud funny, or something? I just struggle to imagine what the intended reader reaction is. Ir are they, in some of these cases, effectively trolling their readers in order to deliberately cultivate hate-clicks?
Alternatively, is it possible that some people actually realy dig this stuff, and find it laugh-out-loud funny, or something? I just struggle to imagine what the intended reader reaction is. Ir are they, in some of these cases, effectively trolling their readers in order to deliberately cultivate hate-clicks?
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The high I imagine is the rush they feel from positing an opinion they feel to be unique which is why the language is always so inflammatory. I imagine it's the same way someone who believes the Earth is flat feels validated because they feel they have "secret" knowledge and that asinine delusion validates them. All these articles tend to be is shitposting on a bigger stage than Twitter comments. I don't mind a well written article disagreeing with something popular but I do very much mind one constructed to get a rise out of people because it's intentionally buffoonish.furbicide wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:30 pmAlternatively, is it possible that some people actually realy dig this stuff, and find it laugh-out-loud funny, or something? I just struggle to imagine what the intended reader reaction is. Ir are they, in some of these cases, effectively trolling their readers in order to deliberately cultivate hate-clicks?
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Link not working (for me, at least)
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It was a link to the post directly preceding it (a dig at mfunk)
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A related issue to the 'provocation posting' but on the opposite end of this, where I feel a little more sympathetic to the Guardian, is that sometimes when they have a really brief paragraph or two on an issue, or a quick twenty questions article with an actor or suchlike, and if comments have been allowed on that page there are often one or two along the lines of "Well, that was pointless and rather superficial. What happened to modern journalism?". Those pieces also seem much more intended to work in the context of the actual newspaper rather than online but because they are existing as individual 'articles' on the site that people have to choose to click on that sometimes creates irritation in those leaving comments that they have been 'duped' into looking at them. I think an awareness of context is probably necessary on both sides, from the Guardian deciding whether it is really necessary to put up certain 'padding' pieces from the paper just to put out a complete daily cycle of the paper online (because it risks undermining their more in depth journalism); and from commenters understanding that a lot of the content on a newspaper's web site has generally been repurposed from pieces tailored towards the print edition rather than specifically intended to work in an online environment. Of course neither party really needs to care about this aspect, but I think it would avoid a lot of almost wilful misunderstandings about the motives of each other coming from both sides if they did!
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Martin Liebman's Green Book review is something else. indulge me in a lengthy quote:
Green Book star Viggo Mortensen ran afoul of controversy when the actor used the "N" word during a Q&A session following a screening. The word was certainly not spoken in a hateful or derogatory manner but rather within the film's narrative and historical contexts during a discussion of how racism has evolved in today's society. Nevertheless, its utterance sparked outrage. Co-Star Mahershala Ali was understandably offended, but Mortensen was quick to apologize and Ali was quick to accept the apology. Hopefully, there's no long-term tainting of Mortensen's character or damage to the film's legacy, a film of purpose, profoundness, and, yes, quality entertainment value at the same time. It's a terrific film from every angle. It does not shy away from the harsh realities of the racial strife in its time while painting a picture of bonding between two very disparate individuals who both change for the better on their journey not just through the heart of the American South but through their own own hearts and souls.
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I mean, it sounds like he basically just summed up the general sentiment of the film’s admirers.mfunk9786 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:22 amMartin Liebman's Green Book review is something else. indulge me in a lengthy quote:
Green Book star Viggo Mortensen ran afoul of controversy when the actor used the "N" word during a Q&A session following a screening. The word was certainly not spoken in a hateful or derogatory manner but rather within the film's narrative and historical contexts during a discussion of how racism has evolved in today's society. Nevertheless, its utterance sparked outrage. Co-Star Mahershala Ali was understandably offended, but Mortensen was quick to apologize and Ali was quick to accept the apology. Hopefully, there's no long-term tainting of Mortensen's character or damage to the film's legacy, a film of purpose, profoundness, and, yes, quality entertainment value at the same time. It's a terrific film from every angle. It does not shy away from the harsh realities of the racial strife in its time while painting a picture of bonding between two very disparate individuals who both change for the better on their journey not just through the heart of the American South but through their own own hearts and souls.
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I have to say, with all I'm reading about it, I'm getting more and more eager of wasting in a silly way 2hrs just to see how much of a socio-political trainwreck Green Book can be. I wonder how it fares against Black Panther, which was already quite something.
And hell, I've already watched Bohemian Rhapsody, Venom and The Predator while my Bergman set is left untouched, so I have this going at least, I guess.
(my GF being away for work and us seeing each other only a few days per month explaining why I'm quicker currently at watching brainless garbage rather than anything more demanding, but hey, still makes for unwilling comedies !)
And hell, I've already watched Bohemian Rhapsody, Venom and The Predator while my Bergman set is left untouched, so I have this going at least, I guess.
(my GF being away for work and us seeing each other only a few days per month explaining why I'm quicker currently at watching brainless garbage rather than anything more demanding, but hey, still makes for unwilling comedies !)
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What’s so outrageous about anything quoted in the Blu-ray.com review?
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It's just bad writing... "a film of purpose, profoundness, and, yes, quality entertainment value at the same time," lord
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Also, those last two quoted sentences can be scientifically proven to be wildly inaccurate.