983 War and Peace
- Ribs
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Re: 983 War and Peace
The length of the four parts in Janus' restoration are:
1: 147 m
2: 98 m
3: 82 m
4: 96 m
I *think* the best way to divide that up would be part 1 + extras on disc 1 and parts 2-4 on their own as disc 2.
1: 147 m
2: 98 m
3: 82 m
4: 96 m
I *think* the best way to divide that up would be part 1 + extras on disc 1 and parts 2-4 on their own as disc 2.
- tenia
- Ask Me About My Bassoon
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Re: 983 War and Peace
Thanks for these, I indeed just read Janus PR and saw those runtimes split.
It seems to me having Pts 1 + 2 on Disc 1 and Pts 3 + 4 + the extras on Disc 2 is a more balanced solution. Following yours would lead to the 2nd disc not even hitting the 20 Mbps AVB mark, while allowing Pt 1 to have tons of space and/or allocating too much space for the extras (considering how tight 2 discs seems to be here).
If splitting Pts 1+2 on D1 and 3+4 + extras on D2, Pts 1+2 would have an AVB hovering around 21 Mbps, and Pts 3+4 around 25 Mbps with 20% of the disc left for the extras.
In the present case, I'd also suggest encoding the DTS HD MA 5.1 track as a 48/16 track instead of a 48/24 ans save a couple of Mbps.
It seems to me having Pts 1 + 2 on Disc 1 and Pts 3 + 4 + the extras on Disc 2 is a more balanced solution. Following yours would lead to the 2nd disc not even hitting the 20 Mbps AVB mark, while allowing Pt 1 to have tons of space and/or allocating too much space for the extras (considering how tight 2 discs seems to be here).
If splitting Pts 1+2 on D1 and 3+4 + extras on D2, Pts 1+2 would have an AVB hovering around 21 Mbps, and Pts 3+4 around 25 Mbps with 20% of the disc left for the extras.
In the present case, I'd also suggest encoding the DTS HD MA 5.1 track as a 48/16 track instead of a 48/24 ans save a couple of Mbps.
- andyli
- Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:46 pm
Re: 983 War and Peace
The first few posts of this thread from more than ten years ago suggested that the OCN of WaP existed and was held in Ukraine. But the press book from Janus suggested that "[a]n extensive search in the archives of the former Soviet republics also failed to yield a complete 70 mm negative". So I wonder what the actual situation is over there? Did the OCN from Ukraine not exist at all or turn out to be incomplete, or the Russians did not bother to ask because of the current political hostility. The thing is, no matter how good a 35mm restoration is, the clarity and color will not match a scan of original 70mm elements, and there is also the aspect ratio difference to consider.
- OldBobbyPeru
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Re: 983 War and Peace
I went to the showing yesterday at the Egyptian Theater in LA, and I was completely floored. Absolutely amazing film--my jaw was scraping the floor over and over again. I'm never left a film of any length like that thinking, "I can't wait to see that again," but that's what happened. The blu-ray of this is going to be amazing--I don't imagine it's going to look much different from the DCP they showed.
I wasn't prepared for how offbeat and philosophical the film is: multiple narrators, tons of subjective camera shots, dreams and hallucinations, the details and Sternberg-like mis-en-scene. I guess I thought it was going to be an epic melodrama with a war background ala Gone With The Wind. It is that, but much more. Ebert was right: I have never, ever seen anything like it. I'm so glad I made the effort to see it on the big screen. It was worth the hundred mile drive and the overnight hotel. If it comes to a town near you, don't pass up this chance.
I wasn't prepared for how offbeat and philosophical the film is: multiple narrators, tons of subjective camera shots, dreams and hallucinations, the details and Sternberg-like mis-en-scene. I guess I thought it was going to be an epic melodrama with a war background ala Gone With The Wind. It is that, but much more. Ebert was right: I have never, ever seen anything like it. I'm so glad I made the effort to see it on the big screen. It was worth the hundred mile drive and the overnight hotel. If it comes to a town near you, don't pass up this chance.
- bearcuborg
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Re: 983 War and Peace
Great post OldBobbyPeru, sounds like a great trip.
- FrauBlucher
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- senseabove
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Re: 983 War and Peace
For those of you who have seen this, I've got the option to see this all in one day, or over the course of about a week (likely 1 and 2 back-to-back, then 3 a few days later and 4 a few days after that). I have no personal problems with (even probably a mild predilection for) the all-in-one-go format, but not everything benefits from it. Does anyone have a strong recommendation either way for this one? Does it benefit more from the build up, or does a little room to breath and digest suit it more?
Other variables, if they matter, are that it's the Castro theater (grand movie palace with giant screen and acceptable sound) for all-at-once vs the Pacific Film Archive (modern black box with state of the art sound and a smaller screen) for the split up option.
Other variables, if they matter, are that it's the Castro theater (grand movie palace with giant screen and acceptable sound) for all-at-once vs the Pacific Film Archive (modern black box with state of the art sound and a smaller screen) for the split up option.
- MichaelB
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Re: 983 War and Peace
I'd pick the grand movie palace with the giant screen. I don't imagine state-of-the-art sound is that big a deal for a film that's over half a century old.
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
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I saw it all in one day and the way it’s structured lends itself to viewing it like this in that the last part is already very fever dream-ish, so your fatigue actually ends up positively playing into how you process the movie at that point!
- bearcuborg
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Re: 983 War and Peace
Definitely in one sitting, especially for that theater. Which movie did you not like all at once?
- senseabove
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Based on the trailer, I also suspect the giant screen palace experience to be a little more powerful, though i don't think either theater would leave me feeling like I missed anything... But I'm more particularly interested in folks' thoughts on whether the movie benefits from one sitting or over-saturates, so an observation like domino's is helpful.
There's no particular "endurance" movie that I've disliked seeing all at once, but some benefit from the breathing room and others don't. Out 1 last played here in one day, and while I can understand the choice, I can't imagine it did the movie or anyone in the audience any favors beyond bragging rights. But if a theater were showing, say, Satantango on two consecutive weekends, and someone wanted to split the experience across them, I'd say that was a terrible idea.
There's no particular "endurance" movie that I've disliked seeing all at once, but some benefit from the breathing room and others don't. Out 1 last played here in one day, and while I can understand the choice, I can't imagine it did the movie or anyone in the audience any favors beyond bragging rights. But if a theater were showing, say, Satantango on two consecutive weekends, and someone wanted to split the experience across them, I'd say that was a terrible idea.
- MichaelB
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I saw Hitler: A Film from Germany in one go, but I doubt it would have made much difference if spread across two or even four days.
- Lost Highway
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Re: 983 War and Peace
Not sure this will get a screening in Berlin at all, so it’s very likely that I’ll watch this at home when I get the Criterion and I will do so over four evenings. Very excited about seeing it though.
- jsteffe
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Yes - I've found the film very absorbing, even eye-popping. I'm pretty sure I watched it at home over the course of one day, and it was a unique experience. At the same time, I think you could watch it over two days. I may be wrong, but I think the parts were not even released all at the same time during its initial run in the Soviet Union. I'll have to look into that...
- yoloswegmaster
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You're correct. First 2 parts were released in 1966 and the last 2 parts in 1967.jsteffe wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 10:10 amYes - I've found the film very absorbing, even eye-popping. I'm pretty sure I watched it at home over the course of one day, and it was a unique experience. At the same time, I think you could watch it over two days. I may be wrong, but I think the parts were not even released all at the same time during its initial run in the Soviet Union. I'll have to look into that...
- OldBobbyPeru
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Re: 983 War and Peace
I think it works fine either way--all in one go, or as a mini-series.
Having said that, I like to treat Godfather and Godfather Part Two as a single movie, with a break to cook some Clemenza spaghetti in between.
Having said that, I like to treat Godfather and Godfather Part Two as a single movie, with a break to cook some Clemenza spaghetti in between.
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- jsteffe
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Re: 983 War and Peace
It certainly does!
BTW, with regard to Gary's comments in his review: the overall color palette is not dissimilar to what I have seen from other Soviet films from that period, except in this case it looks spectacular.
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Re: 983 War and Peace
The region B edition getting cancelled is so unfortunate but goddamn, that looks incredible. Can’t wait to get my hands on it, the extras sound great too
- TMDaines
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Re: 983 War and Peace
Yeah, I'll be importing this one. Some are reporting macroblocking in scenes though.
Is it a keep case or digipak?
Is it a keep case or digipak?
- aox
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Re: 983 War and Peace
This is going to be an odd question, and it really is irrelevant, but I managed to get through high school and college without reading this tome. How accurate is the film to the book? Were any major liberties taken in the narrative? How about the dialogue? I'm just curious.
I have been wanting to see this for ten years, and I hopefully will get my chance this week.
I have been wanting to see this for ten years, and I hopefully will get my chance this week.
- dda1996a
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Re: 983 War and Peace
Watching this wouldn't count as also reading the book I'm afraid
- aox
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- Roscoe
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Re: 983 War and Peace
I've never gotten far in WAR AND PEACE -- but what I have read (I've gotten about a quarter of the way through a couple of times) is more brimming with life and humanity than Bondarchuk's film, which is more interested in Big Sets and Big Action Scenes and Big Bigness than in giving its characters even a second dimension.
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
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Re: 983 War and Peace
Read that post in Tarzan voice