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??? California Split

#1 Post by rapta » Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:45 pm

Turns out Criterion might not have California Split after all: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/california-split-1974

Or they might do, but at least not for a while (Sony would have hung onto it if they had plans for Criterion, as they'd want to release it in both US/Canada and the UK). Either way I am ecstatic this went to a good home - it's possibly my favourite Altman!

Fingers crossed this is a December title, but if not then January or February will be nice too. I'm pre-ordering it immediately, either way!

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#2 Post by domino harvey » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:00 pm

If this came out in December, it would be a banner ending to a banner year for a banner label

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#3 Post by dwk » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:07 pm

So the runtime listed is 12 seconds shorter than the theatrical. I assume this will be still be trimmed because of the music?

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#4 Post by rapta » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:11 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:00 pm
If this came out in December, it would be a banner ending to a banner year for a banner label
Someone on BR.com just pointed out that the BBFC listing says "RELEASE DATES 21/01/2019" so I'm guessing this is actually a January title after all. Still, good start to the year!

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#5 Post by domino harvey » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:12 pm

dwk wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:07 pm
So the runtime listed is 12 seconds shorter than the theatrical. I assume this will be still be trimmed because of the music?
I imagine that whatever Indicator releases will reflect the best materials they could assemble, so let's not start expecting the worst based on a twelve second reported discrepancy

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#6 Post by KJones77 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:14 pm

Very excited for more Altman!

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#7 Post by dwk » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:22 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:12 pm
dwk wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:07 pm
So the runtime listed is 12 seconds shorter than the theatrical. I assume this will be still be trimmed because of the music?
I imagine that whatever Indicator releases will reflect the best materials they could assemble, so let's not start expecting the worst based on a twelve second reported discrepancy
I had forgotten how extensive the DVD cuts were, but the BBFC's runtimes are (or should be) correct, so something is still missing. But it is a vast improvement over the previous release.

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#8 Post by domino harvey » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:37 pm

Twelve seconds reported difference could easily be explained several different ways and does not necessarily indicate missing footage

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#9 Post by tojoed » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:31 pm

The run time is the same as on IMDB, 108 minutes. The Sony DVD, which was very decent considering the music cuts, is 105 minutes.

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#10 Post by MichaelB » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:35 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:37 pm
Twelve seconds reported difference could easily be explained several different ways and does not necessarily indicate missing footage
In my experience, a twelve-second discrepancy is often down to something as banal as a missing distributor ident, or one playing at a different length.

In fact, this is why Arrow missed the fact that Shivers was initially cut, because the running times of their first master and the uncut version matched far more closely than they should have done, and with the exception of just one scene the cuts were so tiny (mere frames in a couple of cases) as to be easily missed except by Cronenberg obsessives. The cause for the closer-than-expected timing similarities turned out to be a double-length animated Lionsgate ident.

And if California Split was shown to the BBFC in 1975 with a Columbia Pictures ident AND a local Columbia-Warner one, as the listing certainly implies... well, that's most likely your answer.

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#11 Post by dwk » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:47 pm

MichaelB wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:35 pm
And if California Split was shown to the BBFC in 1975 with a Columbia Pictures ident AND a local Columbia-Warner one, as the listing certainly implies... well, that's most likely your answer.
Sounds good.

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Re: Forthcoming: California Split

#12 Post by Drucker » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:46 pm

Caught this in 35 tonight. Can confirm the color timing on the DVD in the Beaver review is directionally accurate. Many scenes have a strong golden hue which are related to backgrounds/lighting. The film was 108 minutes.

And what a great film! Really quite laugh out loud funny which gets serious in a way you really don't see coming. Elliot Gould is absolutely amazing, even better than he is in Long Goodbye. The primary relationships between Gould/Segal and Gould's roommates is really sweet. Thematically it has a lot going on, and a lot to say about friendship. In its own warped way it's like a road-trip movie, with actual road trips, but also two figures coming into each other's lives. I really enjoyed it a great deal.

Lastly, if the scenes with the woman playing piano at the end are primarily what seems to be cut on the DVD, that's a big shame. It may be small but her presence in the film definitely sticks out and generates a few good laughs. Wouldn't want to be without it. There is cross--cutting with her playing on camera, and her songs being played in the background back at a card table so I imagine it must be weird without it.

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Re: ??? California Split

#13 Post by domino harvey » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:37 pm

The cover for this was teased in a recent Indicator promo, so it's presumably on deck soon

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Re: ??? California Split

#14 Post by Rayon Vert » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:09 pm

Awesome.

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Re: ??? California Split

#15 Post by rapta » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:10 am

Yeah it was a flyer that came with this month's titles. I assume it's going to be the four July titles, unless something comes up that month (personally I'd only go for California Split and Birdy this month, as I'm not sure about the other two).

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Re: ??? California Split

#16 Post by What A Disgrace » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:58 am

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Husbands and California Split are the long awaited spines 46 and 47. They fit with the "big name auteur" theme of spines 48 (Night of the Demon) and 49 (Passenger), and Indicator's spines do occasionally have a sequential theme going for them, or so I think.

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Re: ??? California Split

#17 Post by rapta » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:21 pm

What A Disgrace wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:58 am
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Husbands and California Split are the long awaited spines 46 and 47. They fit with the "big name auteur" theme of spines 48 (Night of the Demon) and 49 (Passenger), and Indicator's spines do occasionally have a sequential theme going for them, or so I think.
True, Husbands would be excellent. It could just as easily be Gloria though, another Cassavetes title over at Columbia, of which the TT release had no extras. I guess we'll find out in due time!

I asked John at Indicator whether the July titles were set in stone yet and he said they weren't, so there's still a possibility both 46 and 47 could be announced in a couple of weeks. Might be more complicated than that, though (masters, extras etc).

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