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#4026 Post by DarkImbecile » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:50 pm

Since when does having characters "call out" their social critiques make for good storytelling? And by what yardstick are you judging whether Bong has been "adequately" explicit in his criticism?

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#4027 Post by yoshimori » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:52 pm

DarkImbecile wrote:
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Since when does having characters "call out" their social critiques make for good storytelling?
Never said it did. Nor would anyone, I suspect.
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And by what yardstick are you judging whether Bong has been "adequately" explicit in his criticism?
None. But I did get a glimpse at her yardstick which, though not particularly well-decorated, seemed to me to measure something.

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#4028 Post by DarkImbecile » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:57 pm

So, you think it might be possible that someone out there could sympathize with the idea that the characters and director are insufficiently explicit in their social criticism, but at the same time you suspect that no one would think that doing so would make for good storytelling. Accurate?

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#4029 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:44 pm

I would say that any "social criticism" in this film is almost totally uninsightful and poorly focused (but won't venture a guess at Bong's sincerity).

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#4030 Post by Franc Zaic » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:21 pm

Criterion is *owned* by disney (why do you think every single insufferable thing made by wes anderson is part of the Criterion Collection? w anderson is a very rich trust fund baby with relatives/friends in serious positions of power within disney). I doubt there’ll ever be a Criterion release of ['A Hidden Life']. disney has no respect at all for Malick nor for the film.

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#4031 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:30 am

Wes Anderson is a 50 year old man with his own fruitful career, at what point are you no longer a "trust fund baby"

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#4032 Post by Brian C » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:02 am

In that writer’s defense, “trust fund middle-aged man” seems even more demeaning to Anderson.
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#4033 Post by domino harvey » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:04 am

u know how old man go with trust funding

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#4034 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:01 pm

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#4035 Post by Jack Kubrick » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:05 pm

She said similar shit about PTA a couple of months back, with the classic straw man of people only pretending to "like" his movies.

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#4036 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:07 pm

I really didn't need to read that, but to counter my anger at this person's existence and voice being heard, at least it's one of those "man I'm glad I'm 'me'" moments

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#4037 Post by soundchaser » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:10 pm

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#4038 Post by swo17 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:11 pm

OK mfunk but you really should watch at least Boy before you write Waititi off completely

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#4039 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:12 pm

soundchaser wrote:
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Too kind.
swo17 wrote:
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OK mfunk but you really should watch at least Boy before you write Waititi off completely
Sure! I'm not opposed to coming around on just about anybody but that's besides the point here.

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#4040 Post by soundchaser » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:15 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
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Too kind.
I don't actually love Wilson, but the moment immediately popped into my head. All of which is to say Moonrise Kingdom has infinitely more nuance and depth to its characters than Jojo Rabbit does.

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#4041 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:20 pm

She goes on to explain that she fell asleep during The Grand Budapest Hotel, which she tried to watch on a plane. Not sure why someone being an out & out insincere troll is treated as any kind of cultural critic, but there ya go, a half a million followers later and suddenly your opinion matters to people

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#4042 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:24 pm

Maybe people just support her plea to get rid of Nazis

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#4043 Post by swo17 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:26 pm

I can see some similarity between the two directors. Anderson means a lot more to me, and some of Waititi's comedies certainly aren't even aiming for nuance and character, but I think his New Zealand-set films are at least working in that same space. Granted, I haven't seen Jojo Rabbit yet, and don't know if that might prompt me to retroactively hate him

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#4044 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:33 pm

I agree with that, and I did see Jojo Rabbit and thought it was the worst of his films by a margin, though the "substance" and "character" assignments should still be reversed in that Twitter convo despite my appreciation for aspects of those NZ films

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#4045 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:35 pm

Re: writing Waititi off completely - he should probably stop trying to ape Wes Anderson and Robert Yeoman's body of work so flagrantly if he doesn't want to develop his quickly growing reputation as "Wes Anderson for idiots," which is how I saw it put earlier today in reference to the above tweets

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#4046 Post by knives » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:48 pm

I haven't seen Jojo yet, but literally none of his other films could be described that way whatsoever and shows that uninformed criticism is a two way street. If anything he's closer to a PG John Waters or Peter Jackson.

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#4047 Post by swo17 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:51 pm

I don't think they're that similar stylistically--it's more the sense of humor and obviously the whole sense of children acting like adults and adults acting like children

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#4048 Post by zedz » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:18 pm

knives wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:48 pm
I haven't seen Jojo yet, but literally none of his other films could be described that way whatsoever.
Eagle Vs. Shark? (I mean, I found it quite sweet, but it is extremely derivative of a whole strand of quirky American indie cinema bubbling around Anderson.)

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#4049 Post by knives » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:28 pm

Like you say that's, at best, adjacent. I'd actually argue it as much closer to something like the Duplass brothers.

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#4050 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:34 pm

The similarities in Jojo Rabbit - in costuming, cinematography, camera movement, dialogue delivery, and set decoration are striking. Not trying to imply he's got only one speed, or even that it's wrong to be influenced by another filmmaker's work (as Anderson himself is and everyone who made a film since L'Arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat has been), just that he's definitely trading on it in that instance, and if it's going to be some sort of head to head matchup in bozos like Wilson's eyes, it's very easy to determine who the better filmmaker is on every single level

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