Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#251 Post by tenia » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:24 am


ford wrote:
RitrovataBlue wrote:
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At this point, I’m surprised that no filmmakers have tried to persuade CC to go UHD. Guillermo Del Toro was apparently instrumental in getting the Hellboy films and Pan’s Labyrinth upgraded by major studios; surely he’s spoken with Criterion about it as well.
Maybe I've got their market all wrong, but you'd think the kind of person who buys Criterion discs is also someone who prioritizes having a relatively top-of-the-line television, etc. I'd also imagine the cost of manufacturing UHD discs has come down in the past three years.
I've read last year that UHD still costs at least 3 times the cost of a BD to manufacture, with very high glassmaster fixed costs. Since the market for UHD is at best 20% of the BD market, itself at best 30% of the physical market (going up solely because the DVD is dropping so much), these higher costs will need to be recouped on a much smaller market. In France, UHDs are 1.2% of the overall market.

Look also at how pretty much no indie label have institutionalised UHD releases. Some are only going to released their first one in 2020, while others have only released a handful, and most, including some big indie labels like Arrow or Criterion, have released none.

I understand some people are eager to see these movies on the best possible format, but I think it's clear the market sales potential is what it is for this : extremely low, and thus very delicate financially to go into.

As for SK physical market : it heavily dropped and many households dont even have a DVD player anymore. BD never caught up since most consumers basically dropped the physical market altogether. I guess UHD is not going to. This explains why the KFA chose to upload so many of their movies on YouTube rather than focusing on BD releases (source : the KFA itself).

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#252 Post by Parasite » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:15 am

domino harvey wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:28 pm
I just bought the Blu-Ray, you’re welcome everyone
Thank you!

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#253 Post by Moshrom » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:05 am

It'll at least be nice to have Criterion confirm in their transfer notes whether the recent restoration of Memories of Murder (released by La Rabbia in France) reflects Bong's intended colour grading. It's very different than the Korean disc, but I quite like it. The Korean disc is very contrasty (highlights are majorly clipped) and the colours look oversaturated.

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#254 Post by swo17 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:16 am

tenia wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:24 am
ford wrote:
RitrovataBlue wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:44 pm
At this point, I’m surprised that no filmmakers have tried to persuade CC to go UHD. Guillermo Del Toro was apparently instrumental in getting the Hellboy films and Pan’s Labyrinth upgraded by major studios; surely he’s spoken with Criterion about it as well.
Maybe I've got their market all wrong, but you'd think the kind of person who buys Criterion discs is also someone who prioritizes having a relatively top-of-the-line television, etc. I'd also imagine the cost of manufacturing UHD discs has come down in the past three years.
I've read last year that UHD still costs at least 3 times the cost of a BD to manufacture, with very high glassmaster fixed costs. Since the market for UHD is at best 20% of the BD market, itself at best 30% of the physical market (going up solely because the DVD is dropping so much), these higher costs will need to be recouped on a much smaller market. In France, UHDs are 1.2% of the overall market.

Look also at how pretty much no indie label have institutionalised UHD releases. Some are only going to released their first one in 2020, while others have only released a handful, and most, including some big indie labels like Arrow or Criterion, have released none.

I understand some people are eager to see these movies on the best possible format, but I think it's clear the market sales potential is what it is for this : extremely low, and thus very delicate financially to go into.

As for SK physical market : it heavily dropped and many households dont even have a DVD player anymore. BD never caught up since most consumers basically dropped the physical market altogether. I guess UHD is not going to. This explains why the KFA chose to upload so many of their movies on YouTube rather than focusing on BD releases (source : the KFA itself).
Also remember two big lessons Criterion learned from going BD/dual format, which are surely making them more hesitant to take the UHD plunge:

1. The Criterion collector expects every release to be in the superior format
2. The Criterion collector does not want dual format releases

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#255 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:19 pm

swo17 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:16 am

1. The Criterion collector expects every release to be in the superior format
2. The Criterion collector does not want dual format releases
If #2 is truly part of their hesitation I'm quite satisfied to see all that unnecessary whining from collectors come back to bite them.

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#256 Post by tenia » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:45 pm

Moshrom wrote:It'll at least be nice to have Criterion confirm in their transfer notes whether the recent restoration of Memories of Murder (released by La Rabbia in France) reflects Bong's intended colour grading. It's very different than the Korean disc, but I quite like it. The Korean disc is very contrasty (highlights are majorly clipped) and the colours look oversaturated.
That'd be indeed nice. The new restoration is, say, strange in some places, and the grading definitely is one of these places. It didn't shock me during viewing though, but once I saw some caps of the older disc, I did wonder what was the correct look because they convey quite different feelings.

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#257 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:47 pm

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:19 pm
swo17 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:16 am

1. The Criterion collector expects every release to be in the superior format
2. The Criterion collector does not want dual format releases
If #2 is truly part of their hesitation I'm quite satisfied to see all that unnecessary whining from collectors come back to bite them.
The dual format whining was literally the worst thing in the history of this forum from a "you're sending the wrong message to this company, you dopes" perspective
tenia wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:24 am
ford wrote:
RitrovataBlue wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:44 pm
At this point, I’m surprised that no filmmakers have tried to persuade CC to go UHD. Guillermo Del Toro was apparently instrumental in getting the Hellboy films and Pan’s Labyrinth upgraded by major studios; surely he’s spoken with Criterion about it as well.
Maybe I've got their market all wrong, but you'd think the kind of person who buys Criterion discs is also someone who prioritizes having a relatively top-of-the-line television, etc. I'd also imagine the cost of manufacturing UHD discs has come down in the past three years.
I've read last year that UHD still costs at least 3 times the cost of a BD to manufacture, with very high glassmaster fixed costs. Since the market for UHD is at best 20% of the BD market, itself at best 30% of the physical market (going up solely because the DVD is dropping so much), these higher costs will need to be recouped on a much smaller market. In France, UHDs are 1.2% of the overall market.

Look also at how pretty much no indie label have institutionalised UHD releases. Some are only going to released their first one in 2020, while others have only released a handful, and most, including some big indie labels like Arrow or Criterion, have released none.

I understand some people are eager to see these movies on the best possible format, but I think it's clear the market sales potential is what it is for this : extremely low, and thus very delicate financially to go into.

As for SK physical market : it heavily dropped and many households dont even have a DVD player anymore. BD never caught up since most consumers basically dropped the physical market altogether. I guess UHD is not going to. This explains why the KFA chose to upload so many of their movies on YouTube rather than focusing on BD releases (source : the KFA itself).
It's a shame Criterion doesn't have a premium streaming service they put entire releases onto that they couldn't leverage for getting UHD versions of films out there if disc manufacturing costs + format saturation are truly the source of their hesitation - oh well

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#258 Post by swo17 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:49 pm

It was literally the useless coaster of our forum's history

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#259 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:58 pm

Having flashbacks to someone (I believe the member is now banned so I'll speak freely) selling their DVD/Blu collection in Trades & Bargains with covers that they cut with scissors and put into new slimline cases, throwing away the DVDs in the event of dual format releases and creating a blank "disc two" case when there was a need for it

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#260 Post by captveg » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:00 pm

swo17 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:16 am
1. The Criterion collector expects every release to be in the superior format
2. The Criterion collector does not want dual format releases
3. Libraries and Universities didn't want to pay the extra cost for the "pointless" BD discs when their clientele was dominated by DVD users.

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#261 Post by jwd5275 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:33 pm

All the libraries I use offer blu-rays and in fact usually carry both formats. From what I remember, dual-format pricing was the same as the blu-ray release, just with an additional DVD disc, therefore would save libraries money...

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#262 Post by Glowingwabbit » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:08 pm

jwd5275 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:33 pm
All the libraries I use offer blu-rays and in fact usually carry both formats. From what I remember, dual-format pricing was the same as the blu-ray release, just with an additional DVD disc, therefore would save libraries money...
Yes the dual-format cost the same as the blu-ray, but the DVD only release was cheaper which is what a lot of libraries were getting. So no they weren't saving money.

The price point actually isn't the obstacle at my library as we are well funded, but rather there is almost no demand for Blu-Rays in this particular community and so we only purchase them if a) it's dual format or b) there is absolutely no dvd release. So the dual format Criterions were great.

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#263 Post by zombie.modernist » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:44 pm

Bit of a blessing and a curse with this joint release. The Memories disc can't come soon enough IMO, the Korean BD I have is pretty hard to watch with the frame shake on almost every cut, and I'd love to see some of those extras with English subs. The colors should be an interesting debate between the flatter tones of the French disc and the old Korean transfer. I wonder if the juiced up blown-out look was just what Bong was into at the time since The Host looks very similar and that was finished digitally.

On the other hand, I have next to no interest in their Parasite if it's just going to be another standard BR disc. The 4K HDR master on digital platforms looks way better, especially on the interior shots (ie 2/3 of the film) and cramming all the features they will put on the disc will probably result in worse PQ than the existing BR. I'll just vote with my money on that one.

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